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taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one, we are talking about federal taxation. if you want to have a argument with your county or city government, new york city and westchester county or long island go have it. >> you are not answering. >> but if you are talking about federal tax, right i'm saying to you i between between 35 and 39 is totally good. >> but that's not addressing it. wait a second. this is not a small issue. after somebody pace their federal, their state, their social security, their property, their car tax, their sales tax, after they are done giving the government their fair share, state, local, federal, what is fair? give me a
taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one,...
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the taxes. so an american can escape somewhat but not as effectively as the british. when margaret thatcher reduced the tax we saw an explosion of enterprise and of course a wave of tax revenue came rolling in. we were able to have a debt repayment schedule and the tax emigres came back from the tax havens that remain in the british empire like bahamas and elsewhere. >>neil: john, always a pleasure, if no for other reason than your british accent is better than stuart varney's accent. thank you very much. thank you, john. in the meantime, the man who brokers some pretty night deals for lawrence taylor, what about this one between president obama and speaker boehner? and like s. or you can get out there and actually like something. the lexus december to remember sales event is on. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>neil: maybe we just got ahead of ourselves. progress is looking not so good on the budget talks with ed henry at the white house with the latest. i am confused. where are we? >>repor
the taxes. so an american can escape somewhat but not as effectively as the british. when margaret thatcher reduced the tax we saw an explosion of enterprise and of course a wave of tax revenue came rolling in. we were able to have a debt repayment schedule and the tax emigres came back from the tax havens that remain in the british empire like bahamas and elsewhere. >>neil: john, always a pleasure, if no for other reason than your british accent is better than stuart varney's accent....
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you want to talk about paying taxes and your fair share? they're a tax-exempt 501c5 organization. where is ed asner's rage about their escaping and evading their fair share of taxes? i don't hear it. also, let's have a balance. if they're going to show this in the california classrooms, how about an eight-minute video narrated by clint eastwood or my favorite right thinking actor adam baldwin that exposes the truth about occupy and the teachers alliance? they have to make up this urinating image? well, you've got occupiers who have been pooping on police cars. show that to the school kids. >> sean: well said. michelle malkin. great points. thank you for being with us. >> you bet, take care. >>> >> sean: coming up next, liz cheney on the breaking news out of syria. the government stands ready to use sarin nerve gas on its own people. a senior firm confirmed this to fox news. >>> women in egypt are fearing for their lives as sex mobs are preying on the public. the situation is getting dispratt. where is the outrage and the support from the feminists who screamed about the so-called
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he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduction in our rate structure, a creative tax cut creating more jobs and income and eventually more revenue. it will include an across the the board top to bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. the billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumer, and our businessmen, will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary and these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries. >> right. that is the message that president obama needs to hear. unfortunately, there's growing evidence to indicate that he's not interested in striking any deal at all. now
he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduction in our rate structure, a creative tax cut creating more jobs and income and eventually more revenue. it will include an across the the board top to bottom cut in both...
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the taxes are this. 35% will go to federal taxes. 4.54% will go to arizona taxes, that is much better than california. and 6% will go to missouri taxes. interesting too a couple other notes for you. one this isn't the largest lottery in u.s. history actually earlier this year the megamillions game was $656 million. three people bought tickets that won that, that was earlier this year, and the largest in the history of the world, believe it or not was back in spain in 2011. $939million somebody won over there. martha. martha: wow, well, you know we'd lick to her a good story. if you have a good story about winning the lottery and everything turning out really well, let us know. >> reporter: i would have shared. i would have shared. martha: thank you, adam. we'll see you soon. bill: thank you, adam. if you're watching us right now you probably didn't win. you'd be out answering the phone or having a good party. martha: first thing i would do is watch "america's newsroom" if i won. bill: okay that's it. the odds of winning, space junk falling to earth and hitting one person, one in 3200.
the taxes are this. 35% will go to federal taxes. 4.54% will go to arizona taxes, that is much better than california. and 6% will go to missouri taxes. interesting too a couple other notes for you. one this isn't the largest lottery in u.s. history actually earlier this year the megamillions game was $656 million. three people bought tickets that won that, that was earlier this year, and the largest in the history of the world, believe it or not was back in spain in 2011. $939million somebody...
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tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and then when the economy nose dives he will have to own it. republicans are going to get blamed anyway. do you feel strong about either one of those? >> dana: not necessarily. i do think i see in "washington post," headline, obama offers plan for cliff. plan to be in quotes. the thing that amazes me and the media lets it happen. for eight years or longer now. i had to defend how many times people said on the left, including president obama when he was running for president the first time, the bush tax cuts only help the ri
tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and...
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not the tax rates. cut the spending, not the -- >> gretchen: it's kind of like that duh sound on the simpson show. people know this. people know this is what it's going to come down to yet it's this posturing. now headlines, chaos in cairo. president morsi returning to his palace overnight. he took off amid violent protests between police and protests, 100,000. they're outraged over morsi expanding his powers. hello, you elected him -- but the muslim brotherhood calling for its own protests over alleged abuses by the opposition. several tv stations in egypt going back to protest the constitution drafted by islamists. >>> new chilling surveillance video showing the moment when a barista came face-to-face with her killer. you can see 18-year-old samantha make the coffee and then raise her hands as if she's being held up. he makes her turn off the lights and climb through a window before tying her hands behind her back, chilling. the f.b.i. says he then sexually assaulted and he killed her. he's confessed
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>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and you think a normal human being with, you know, would be ashamed of that lack of intellectual honesty, should be. >> it's fascinating economic dri that costco is borrowing the money to pay this dividend. now, usually when companies pay dividends, it's out of earnings, right? >> yes, retained earnings, in this case, they're borrowing, taking on more debt, not to invest in the business in the future growth, but for a one-time equity pay out. >> and to worry about interest rates are low thanks to ben bernanke. >>, but this shows the tax rates combined with very low bore heing costs and instead of investing in growth, y
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taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't raise rates. but let's close out loopholes and get rid of deductions. all you should care about is how much revenue you are getting. why do you care fit' a rate or deduction. increase the revenue. president obama says no i need rates to go up on the rich. now he's saying rates have to go up. they have to go up on the rich. but then we can talk about lower them again next year. we'll chat. we'll have more time then we can discuss the loopholes abductional earn tough deductions to rates. >> we are 400 day
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the social security payroll tax. there is a tax increase in january. unless someone steps up and says wait a second, we are getting everyone else a tax break and let social security tax go up 2%. >> bret: winners and losers? >> bill kristol is turning in to a socialist. [ laughter ] >> family tradition. way back. >> secretary of the treasury sitting right over there. workers, champion. the winner mahmoud abbas locally because he outshone hamas on this even though the victory he won in the u.n. was pyraquan. loser speaker of the house john boehner. he offered the president a peace pipe and got in return a demand that he turned over his sword, his shirt and at the end his trousers. that is a rather embarrassing position for the speaker. >> bret: he will be asked about it on "fox news sunday" with chris wallace. that is it for the panel. but stay tuned to see one thing congress did accomplish today. victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicke
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no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow more and he can't spend more than what the treasury collects. it's forced to reduce spen spending. that is the only way to get the house in order. >> over the cliff. >> over the cliff. >> juan? >> i hope not. i don't think it's good for most of america. it could be damage for economy struggling to recover. takes us further down the road for what i think is the news of the day. argument over the debt ceiling today. that is one point of the republican lench in the dole. some machiavellian misstep made. he wanted the democrats to
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i pay my tax, why not starbucks? >> sometimes they position themselveses in other country to avoid paying high taxes here and britain. amazon did $320 million in turnover in the u.k. it paid less than $3 million in british tax. all of this within the law but parliamentary law accused them of immorally minimizing the tax obligation. some say don't blame the big guys. >> i don't moral is the way we ought to levy our taxes. it should be set out in law and fairly enforced by the tax authority. individuals have their own moral compass that guides what they choose to do. >> starbucks does appear to feel the heat of public pressure. saying we need to do more. we are looking at the tax approach in the u.k. the u.k. said it will tighten its tax regime but it has not said how. other european countrys have similar concerns. with some calling for more uniform taxation across the e.u., so some countries don't become tax havens at the expense of others. bret? >> bret: amy kellogg in london. thank you. the supreme court here in the
i pay my tax, why not starbucks? >> sometimes they position themselveses in other country to avoid paying high taxes here and britain. amazon did $320 million in turnover in the u.k. it paid less than $3 million in british tax. all of this within the law but parliamentary law accused them of immorally minimizing the tax obligation. some say don't blame the big guys. >> i don't moral is the way we ought to levy our taxes. it should be set out in law and fairly enforced by the tax...
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the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was president obama. season. >> the way bush has done it, over the last eight years is to take out a credit cardback of china in the game of the children, driving up the national debt. that is irresponsible and unpatriotic. >> eric: unpatriotic. $5 trillion in debt. president obama will add ten, 11, 12 trillion in debt. when he is done with this. >> for years, president obama running when he was senator, running for president always said that the bush tax cuts were only for the rich and only benefit the rich. now he says that the republicans ar
the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social...
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if you look at the tax side, the president campaigned on raising taxes but high talked about raising them to the tune of $800 billion. instead, what was put on the table is double that, $1.6 trillion in new tax increases. the president, though, out there upsetting republicans because he is outcampaigning again and he said i missed being out here on the trail. so rather than negotiating with republicans he was on the road in pennsylvania and saying i ran on this in terms of raising taxes. it is time to collect. >> at the end of the day, a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, agreed with a balanced approach to gift reduction and making sure the middle class taxes don't go up. folks agreed to that. now the good news is we are starting to see a few republicans coming around to it, too. >>reporter: nancy pelosi has a news conference and added that elections have consequences. the democrats now think they can push their agenda through but republicans are saying when the democrats ran on the balanced approach it was not just tax increases but spending cuts, as
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tax rates. tax rates. tax rates, tax rates. like tourettes. that is all they want. >>neil: member the middle ground they rumored about last week, maybe not 39.6 percent the top rate, but mid-30's but regardless you think the rate will change. >>guest: i am pessimistic short run and long run. there is in reason why they should go up but i think they will. we need to just limit the growth of spending to 2.5 percent a year on average and the fight is about taxes going up so that spending can go up and that is a game leapfrog. we end up with more debt and a weaker economy. the road map is greece, italy, spain, all over europe but the president thinks you can tax-and-spend your way to prosperity. >>neil: what the administration throws back on the issue is take a look at italy and greece, austerity has worked. you say what? >>guest: they have a strange definition. alwaysst either to them means higher taxes in europe and the united states austerity means less spending. i am in favor of the right definition of austerity. the balkan countries got out of the mess and now they
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tax hikes on the rich. republicans have said, well, we don't want that, but we will put revenue on the table if you agree to some spending cuts. and now both sides are saying you show us your proposed spending cuts first. do i have it about right, marc? >> yeah, about right, essentially. look, the president -- i think it's very clear, i think at least, that the democrats want to go off the fiscal cliff. you can see it in the fact that president obama's out there campaigning instead of sitting down with john boehner, running around pushing for a bill to increase -- extend just the middle class tax cuts which he knows republicans will never do. you can see it in the fact that 33 senate democrats signed this letter which says, quote, we will oppose including social security cuts for current or future pen fisheries in any -- beneficiaries at any time. that's signed by harry reid. senator durbin giving a speech saying no touching medicare or medicaid in any year end package. so, basically, the democratic positio
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. >> sean: same with value added tax after eliminating the fair tax is good, each one is progressive, the more you make, the more you spend. >> people get a flat tax. fair share, think flat tack. i'm starting to see forbes about it and listen this is what we ought to be doing. >> sean: where is the president? why the constant campaign? after every election there's a period when things can get den, good things. i was saying this to bob woodward, one in six in poverty, 50 million on food stamps this is not a time to play games this is a time to get this country out of the fiscal mess it is in, live within our means that means really doing big things, touching entitlements saving them from bankruptcy. campaigning in pennsylvania using class warfare. >> it is more egregious when you know we've had four deaths in libya. what happened how can we avoid that mistake in the future? when you go around the country and texas and people are hurting and struggling and it is breaking their heart to make ends meet and you know we have more energy than anybody in the world and not using it. >> sean: i
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credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that you got to pay part of that revenue toward that debt just like every single american that owns a home pays part of their monthly revenue toward their mortgage debt. it's exactly the same thing. the problem that grover and i have, he says if you do that, that's a tax increase, because the rest of it is going to go to lowering tax rates, and that's not 100% going to lowering tax rates. >> sean: if you're talking about $1.1 trillion or $1.2 trillion in revenue, that's raising taxes. people will pay more. when people pay more -- >> no. >> sean: they're no
credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that...
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or tax revenue increases. we were willing to come to the table and try to work out that kind of an approach or solution. i would say that republicans and democrats are either going to succeed together or we are going to fail together but i am confident we can work it out on behalf of the american people. >>neil: well, you may have her nancy pelosi in the house threatening a floor vote on extending the middle-class tax cuts. unless you guys don't get out and do something. >>guest: we are here. we are ready. we are being reasonable. responsible. we have been putting forward our solutions. >>neil: what do you think her offer? >>guest: we are going to, the time may come where we will actually bring different proposals to the floor for a vote. >>neil: that would not come? >>guest: no, i don't think it will come next week. we still have more time. >>neil: and this talk, it is just talk, congresswoman, so dismiss it as such, the president could be open on revenues to maybe not return to the clinton era tack -- tax ra
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we hear eric cantor saying no new taxes and we know that the dems want to have taxes on the wealthy and also know that the republicans would like to see some spending cuts as well. >> it's not about grover norquist and the pledge. the bottom line is this: even boehner said they're willing to have some revenue, some tax increases if we cut spending. and kelly, by having of billions more dollars in surplus package money that president obama wants, also, increasing taxes by 1.6 trillion dollars, that's not a deal that the american people can live with. it's not about grover norquist and not raising taxes, it's about going to the table and cutting a real deal. >> dick? >> i guess what i say is, what do the republicans want to cut? i mean, have they backed off the paul ryan plan to cut medicare have they backed off the plan for social security, and what is the plan? i think the president and the democrats and the country are waiting to hear. he made an offer. i'm a lawyer and deal with this and the other side why and we move to the middle. where is the republican plan. >> kelly: hold on a mi
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this is not acceptable, to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense. megyn: but some house republicans are describing the latest offer from the white house as absurd. they say the president ran on a platform to raise rates on top earners. that would amount to about $800 billion in new tax revenue they say he's now asking for double that amount, close to $1.6 trillion in new taxes. republicans also argue he calls for a balanced approach but asking for about four times as much in tax hikes as there are in possible spending cuts, all of which on the spending cut front would come later: possible spending cuts, all of which on the spending confront will come later. he also wants to permanently do away with the congress approves debt limit, effectively giving himself a blank check to add as much the sequence to a national debt that already stands at $16 trillion. moments ago, speaker of the house speaker boehner saying that the democrats plan is not going to fly. >> the white house took three we
this is not acceptable, to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense. megyn: but some house republicans are describing the latest offer from the white house as absurd. they say the president ran on a platform to raise rates on top earners. that would amount to about $800 billion in new tax revenue they say he's now asking for double that amount, close to $1.6 trillion in new taxes. republicans also...
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these taxes the president wants. if begive him all tax increases it pays for 8 and a half days of government. it doesn't do anything for middle class it will destroy middle class job creation. the more we tell people that the stronger we will be in being able to negotiate a solution moving forward. >> bill: handicap it real quick, is it going to happen or go into january with chaos? >> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff which is a creation of congress. it's a bipartisan creation. this fiscal cliff is the result of the last fiscal cliff. >> bill: that put a date on there. >> yeah. >> bill: may extend the date that's what i think is going to happen. >> my hope is is that we can avoid the bad stuff. then we have to deal with the 16 trillion-dollar debt that $1 trillion a year in deficit spending. we have to solve that. that thing is not going to solve itself. >> bill: doesn't feel like the president feels the urgency that you feel. you are one of the leaders
these taxes the president wants. if begive him all tax increases it pays for 8 and a half days of government. it doesn't do anything for middle class it will destroy middle class job creation. the more we tell people that the stronger we will be in being able to negotiate a solution moving forward. >> bill: handicap it real quick, is it going to happen or go into january with chaos? >> at a minimum what i hope is that we'll be able to do something here that avoids this fiscal cliff...
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in exchange, he says republicans could agree to more tax revenue, but not through higher tax rates. will both sides be able to work this thing out? let's bring in our panel, donna is an advisor to pennsylvania senator bob kerry and a former staffer for pennsylvania governor ed rendell. ron is a former communications director to the house speaker, dennis hastert. good to see you both. >> good to sigh. >> gregg: donna, let's start with what the president was offering a. even democrats are criticizing him for demanding 150 billion in more spending. not less, including a $50 billion stimulus this next year. at a time when the focus perhaps should be on spending cuts, are those democrats right? >> well, i'm hearing many more democrats resonating with the message that the president is delivering and that message is that he ran on and got elected on the basis of more taxes for the most wealthy americans. i think that there is a real danger for republicans in not really hearing that message. i've been impressed by the number of republicans that have made positive indications that more reven
in exchange, he says republicans could agree to more tax revenue, but not through higher tax rates. will both sides be able to work this thing out? let's bring in our panel, donna is an advisor to pennsylvania senator bob kerry and a former staffer for pennsylvania governor ed rendell. ron is a former communications director to the house speaker, dennis hastert. good to see you both. >> good to sigh. >> gregg: donna, let's start with what the president was offering a. even democrats...
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, just not the tax rate. the president said no and came back and moved the goal posts and wants 1.6 trillion. >> it's like lucy pulling away the football from charlie brown. the president is now asking for twice the amount of increase in taxes that he campaigned on. really, the proposal that tim geithner brought to capitol hill is one that i believe the democrats one-point even support if put to a voight. the increase in taxes in over $200,000 of income, the incredible increase in change to the death tax, wanting to have a new credit card with no credit limit to the president so he can additionally just borrow and spend and tax? you go through all of these things. it really never deals with the fumblefundamental problem in our country which is the spending. our problem is not that we're taxed too little, we just continue to spend too much. >> he is asking that the debt ceiling that he has sole control over and how much the debt ceiling can be raised without having to get permission from capitol hill. i mean,
, just not the tax rate. the president said no and came back and moved the goal posts and wants 1.6 trillion. >> it's like lucy pulling away the football from charlie brown. the president is now asking for twice the amount of increase in taxes that he campaigned on. really, the proposal that tim geithner brought to capitol hill is one that i believe the democrats one-point even support if put to a voight. the increase in taxes in over $200,000 of income, the incredible increase in change...
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tax. it is spurring growth and putting people to work there. wayne would it work here? >> it is a sad day to think that we have to do something the communist china is doing . it worked very well and they have expand today to other provinces in china and it is working very, very well. yes. >> national sales tax does that work here, johnathon? >> it would. it is it fair and treats everyonely and easy to understand and more importantly taxes consumption and not production. the only thing i like about communist china is the chicken but the corporate next tax must go and think of how much more wealth and jobs we would have if it add more to the profits every year. >> julian, what do you make of >> the reason a national sales tax is good it is harder to cheat on and the reason it is it bad. economy growing at 2.4 percent. it would not stimulate the commempt i like the bus tax cutos the top two percent than the valuattedad tax. all of the economic data said if you let them expire you will have no
tax. it is spurring growth and putting people to work there. wayne would it work here? >> it is a sad day to think that we have to do something the communist china is doing . it worked very well and they have expand today to other provinces in china and it is working very, very well. yes. >> national sales tax does that work here, johnathon? >> it would. it is it fair and treats everyonely and easy to understand and more importantly taxes consumption and not production. the...
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the bush tax cut for everybody. each has a bill and same argument. i don't imagine the president has upper hand in that. >> bret: next up, president george w. bush on immigration reform. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. >>> immigrants come with new skills and new ideas. they fill a critical gap in the labor market. they work hard for a chance for a better life. america can be a lawful society. and a welcoming society at the same time. >> bret: former president george w. bush talking about the importance for republicans to embrace immigration reform. it's a theme many republicans are talking about, including incoming senator ted cruz who talked about it this week in d.c. >> i think republicans need to remain a party that supports securing the border and stopping illegal immigration. at the same time, welcomes and celebrates
the bush tax cut for everybody. each has a bill and same argument. i don't imagine the president has upper hand in that. >> bret: next up, president george w. bush on immigration reform. this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. >>> immigrants come with new skills...
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higher taxes hurt economic growth. people say it doesn't hurt it and they are saying of all the possible answers i will pick the extreme one, which is zero. what is most iportant? millions are out of work, we have incomes that have not grown but they have fallen. i would think growth is the priority. >>neil: is that going do mean more dividends next year to make up for the tax hit they will face? will they still cash out with the dividends? isn't that going do lead to a market tank? >>guest: one of the things, what we are seeing right now is the first evidence that companies' investors know the fiscal cliff is coming and when we get closer that is when the market will tank. >>neil: take your money and run. >>guest: for political pumps folks are willing to go over. that is dangerous much next year if we go over the cliff, all bets are off and we are in a recession. >>neil: you are not competent? >>guest: i don't like the way this is going. this is not two parties sitting down and saying we have a serious national proble
higher taxes hurt economic growth. people say it doesn't hurt it and they are saying of all the possible answers i will pick the extreme one, which is zero. what is most iportant? millions are out of work, we have incomes that have not grown but they have fallen. i would think growth is the priority. >>neil: is that going do mean more dividends next year to make up for the tax hit they will face? will they still cash out with the dividends? isn't that going do lead to a market tank?...
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we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and san bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the problem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. you have front runners that become mayor . they will not support it it was a nonstarter and never going to work in the stave . you have a better chance of succeeding. >> at least it was a plan . it is no law that said you cannot change 401 k's. that is future and new hires and for their plans. you don't have ill defined benefits and by the way the private sector doesn't get. there is a pension liability in the state of the california. vicki is right. government services are starting to get cut in cities in california . so i tell you, it doesn't cut it when you have things like let's raise the retirement age to age 52. >> the fact is
we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and san bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the problem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. you have front runners that become mayor . they...
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. >> there is a lot to be said for a wealth tax and especially a concrete wealth tax. >> bill: far left beginning to push for wealth tax that means the feds would confiscate private property. this is being kept very quiet but tonight you will hear all about it? >> gay marriage or accepting immigrants. >> you are absolutely right. they don't want to believe it's time to change it. >> rhode island governor chafee saying he will not save christmas because the times are a changing. we sent jesse wawfortsz -- watters up to rhode island to find out what the heck is going on. >> isn't it discriminating against christians by calling it a holiday tree? >> caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. america need leaders. in order to turn the country around -- and boy do we need that -- good leadership will have to step up. that means politicians who put you ahead of their own welfare. elected officials who are honest, intelligent and daring. we need that kind of leadership. it's one of the reasons i wro
. >> there is a lot to be said for a wealth tax and especially a concrete wealth tax. >> bill: far left beginning to push for wealth tax that means the feds would confiscate private property. this is being kept very quiet but tonight you will hear all about it? >> gay marriage or accepting immigrants. >> you are absolutely right. they don't want to believe it's time to change it. >> rhode island governor chafee saying he will not save christmas because the times...
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he continues to talk about raising tax on the well think. >> the tax rate. >> right, the tax rates on the well think and beyond raising taxes on the well think, tax rates on the well think, he said he wanted a balanced approach etch said during the campaign he wanted $2.50 in cuts for every $1.50 in revenue. yet you saw the only proposal come from him sense the election was four dollars in revenue for one dollar in cuts. it was $1.6 trillion in revenue and $400 trillion in cuts and $300 trillion in additional stimulus spending in addition to that. but completely the opposite in cracks to his own campaign pledge. what we've been trying to do, greta, is hold his feet to the fire and say speaker bain wares clear the day after the election. he said mr. president, you won, but so did we. the mandate we have is to work together. we are willing to honor your ledge pledge of $80 billion a year from the wealthiest, which is what you said during the campaign, the $800 billion, but we need the $2.50 for every one dollar in cuts and the president has been completely unwilling to specify those cut
he continues to talk about raising tax on the well think. >> the tax rate. >> right, the tax rates on the well think and beyond raising taxes on the well think, tax rates on the well think, he said he wanted a balanced approach etch said during the campaign he wanted $2.50 in cuts for every $1.50 in revenue. yet you saw the only proposal come from him sense the election was four dollars in revenue for one dollar in cuts. it was $1.6 trillion in revenue and $400 trillion in cuts and...
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obama says raiding taxes on upper -- raising taxes on upper income americans is not going to fix the problem that the country is facing. >> even the president got the tax rate hike he wanted understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen, washington has got a spending problem, not a re-knew problem. >> for many top democrats it's all about taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between 39.6% and the 28% at that the president has for limitation on deduction creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative financial commentator suggests the likely outcome of the fiscal cliff talks won't be the end of the world. >> we will have taxes that are the same as the taxes were under bill clinton. we did find that we will do fine. >> the question is whether the negotiations will lead to making other tough choices such as washington getting a handle on the growth of government. if not, the european example seems to suggest fiscal t
obama says raiding taxes on upper -- raising taxes on upper income americans is not going to fix the problem that the country is facing. >> even the president got the tax rate hike he wanted understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen, washington has got a spending problem, not a re-knew problem. >> for many top democrats it's all about taxes and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that...
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we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple ways this could go. one is to land in the middle. you have $800 billion and $1.6 trillion. the other is for one side to say no deal. we'll let you go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'l
we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely...
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tax, a 10% tanning tax. all of these things come together. this is not just something that will affect the quote, unquote, wealthy top two income tax brackets. it will affect all americans. that's what we're talking about. >> greta: do you think the president sent his proposal up through secretary treasurer geithner that he made his deliberately quite far-reaching. he wants additional stimulus money, money in his proposal. >> 50 billion more. >> greta: i'm sure that that probably sent a chill up the spine of most house republicans. do you think that he deliberately did that almost as a negotiating tactic? he put the worst case scenario on the table so they would say i don't want that so they can get something else? >> i don't understand the mind of the president when it comes to this. 1.6 trillion in new taxes. it does nothing for the debt. as a matter of fact, one of the things he asks for, he wants complete authority to raise the debt limit. >> greta: do you think he was serious about the 16 trillion? >> h
tax, a 10% tanning tax. all of these things come together. this is not just something that will affect the quote, unquote, wealthy top two income tax brackets. it will affect all americans. that's what we're talking about. >> greta: do you think the president sent his proposal up through secretary treasurer geithner that he made his deliberately quite far-reaching. he wants additional stimulus money, money in his proposal. >> 50 billion more. >> greta: i'm sure that that...
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it's the largest tax increase in american history. what i think we can do, and what would make the most sense since both sides seem to be dug in, let's build a bridge over the fiscal cliff, temporary bridge that says, you know, we will extend the tax cuts. you know, we'll reduce the spending cuts, especially in defense. we've going to do it for three months, six months. then we can have some time to look at this responsibly. remember, congress and the president never do anything that close to a good job if they are on a deadline or rush timetable. you know, we got obamacare because of that. that is going to prove a mess. we have gotten all kind of tax deals where things never really materialize. you know, ronald reagan had such a deal at the last minute in 1982, and out of every 100 cents of spending restraint he only got 75 cents because the deal was written so badly went need to take the time on this and not view december 31 as arbitrary deadline. >> jamie: it would be great if we did things in steps. i thought about this with the i
it's the largest tax increase in american history. what i think we can do, and what would make the most sense since both sides seem to be dug in, let's build a bridge over the fiscal cliff, temporary bridge that says, you know, we will extend the tax cuts. you know, we'll reduce the spending cuts, especially in defense. we've going to do it for three months, six months. then we can have some time to look at this responsibly. remember, congress and the president never do anything that close to a...
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a former prosecutor weighs in next. >> could your tax dollars has tax companies expanding. there's one problem. it's in china. >> welcome back. it is 20 minutes after the top of the hour. solar companies are expanding in china. they made 807 million in tax payer dollars. it is supplying two mega cawatt of panels in person china. sun power received nearly $540 million. 15 million in a chinese mproduc. kept a log of your private text messages. it could happen if police want their way. they passed a law requiring all carriers to keep your conversation for at least two years. patti ann? >> heather, a virginia auto zone is under fire after firing an employee who saved the store manager's life. a serial robber held a manager at gun point. he ran to his car and grabbed his legal gun ran back in and confronted the suspect. the would be robber fled. instead of being hailed as a hero he was fired for violating auto zone policy. >> they fired me because i re-entered the store with my personal weapon. they have a zero tolerance policy against employees having weapons in the store. >> s
a former prosecutor weighs in next. >> could your tax dollars has tax companies expanding. there's one problem. it's in china. >> welcome back. it is 20 minutes after the top of the hour. solar companies are expanding in china. they made 807 million in tax payer dollars. it is supplying two mega cawatt of panels in person china. sun power received nearly $540 million. 15 million in a chinese mproduc. kept a log of your private text messages. it could happen if police want their way....
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. >> their beef is the president campaigned on $800 billion in tax increases by ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. but is now proposing double that. $1.6 trillion. by adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. plus, the white house wants $50 billion in new spending next term alone in long term deal about cutting spending. >> they want to have this extra spending greater than the amount they want to cut. not serious proposal. >> but the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff talks allow him to back opposition to a corner, by framing this as the republicans raising taxes.
. >> their beef is the president campaigned on $800 billion in tax increases by ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. but is now proposing double that. $1.6 trillion. by adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. plus, the white house wants $50 billion in new spending next term alone in long term deal about cutting spending. >> they want to have this extra spending greater than the amount they want to cut. not serious proposal. >> but the president may have the upper...
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we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until the end of the year. but if the taxes go on, on capital gains and dividends, people will start to sell now to have the better, more preferential tax treatment than afterwards. we may see selling in first of the year. >> eric: long-term, think long-term. once we get past that. what will the effect be? what if taxes on dividends go up? >> this is incredible disincentive. especially on the capital gains. to take the risk of investing. when you say long-term, long-term, if you don't need the money you invest in stock market. if you need it in the next five years don't go near
we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until...